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Medieval Aquaman Teaser 2 by Azmal Medieval Aquaman Teaser 2 by Azmal
To man peck conch or not to man peck conch, that is the question. While tooled nicely we must ask, does the shape appear masculine or does it look like a mermaid bra shell. I tooled the rest of the breast area behind it since I knew a spiral was a risky shape and I wont really know for sure until its all colored and into final assembly. It's of course designed to look like a cool chambered nautilus shell in a roughly stylized pectoral shape.

So anyway, I ask you fine folks, as it is for now, what's your first impression?
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Gotterdamrung Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2013
Great work!
It is definitely too feminine.  If you were to say continue the pattern in a greater area or utilize a smaller shell it would work but at that size in that position with what you have framing it, it is feminine.

You are a wizard with leather sir, I look forward to seeing more of your work on here!

Bravo!
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bear48 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013  Professional
sweet
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DraquilSultak Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist
It is hard to tell at this angle, maybe, a front shot?
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DraquilSultak Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist
Normally I would agree, the conch might be too feminine, however the placement is decent enough I think it would just add. There are armor sets with pieces that come down pretty far like that, buuuut they're usually tying in the shoulders. couldn't say for sure until the rest of its done, but I like it. Its not like they're coning out from the chest.
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Moonshhade Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I agree....make it into pauldrons. too femme. I gotta say....your imagination is....well....awe inspiring! to even come up this idea is amazing. how long did it take to design it? from one leather worker to another i am in awe. fantastic tooling and i love the use of embossing to make it stand out.
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copperarabian Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Student Photographer
I think it looks awsome! And I love the look of the natural leather. I would be a little scared to color something like that XD
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donnytsunami Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with an earlier statement, working it into the pauldron would be more beneficial and less feminine
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Phoenix001 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Wow! Amazing! Very complicated and intricate! Well done. :)
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Damiane Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Very nice job, I want to see the color :)
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Durame Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Besegew is definetly a great sugestion.. Or maybe the top of the pauldron?

Great work!
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Miss-MischiefX Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013
Amazing!!
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VibrantIce Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Normally I like the idea of seeing male nipples on armor-like costumes, but in this case, I say leave it off. Too much like a mermaid bra shell (like you say). I think the beautiful simplicity of the breastplate would be lost with the addition of the pec conch. I can't wait to see this done. It's awesome!!!
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TimeGhost823 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013
Could the Nautulus shells be used as pauldrons(shoulder guards) you would still be able to use them and they would draw the eye away from the chest.
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GilnarVeldasir Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Ah, yes. This is awesome. I love the aquatic style.
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Treyos Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I can see why you'd be concerned about it... it could easily end up reminiscent of the Bat-nipples. ;P I'd say pass on it, as the design already looks good without it. Might be able to work it in somewhere else.

Is this a commission or more personal project?
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battosai1976 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Amazing work !
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Mikau-010 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013
I love the extra touch, and the tooling on it(and everything else for that matter) is just so astounding it would be a terrible shame for it to go to waste,
but on the other hand would have a tendency to draw the eyes inward towards the nipple area and pronounce the bust area, more of a feminine costume trait...

its a really really hard call.
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Chaos28561 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Student General Artist
I think it will be fine so long as you keep it on one side. =)
>w< This is going to be so cool!!

-Chaos
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ProfessorBats Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
In itself, the nautilus is absolutely jaw-droppingly gorgeous.
That being said, I think pec vs. breast will depend on the precise position. If you leave it centered on the fish-scaled part, the way it is in this shot, to me it looks more feminine. If it were put a bit higher up and, as others have said, turned with the "tail" end towards the armpit where the pectoral fastens, I think it could look more pec-like. But still, harmoniously developped pectorals are more squared and less circular. I could see them working better on hinged parts maybe? Dunno, maybe too large for knee caps, but something like that.
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Mikotsuki Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I like the nautilus. It you had made it in a way that put the center of the spiral more forward on the chest then yes, it may just have looked more feminine. But you have it lined enough toward the armpit to keep it from looking like a boob at all :D It really does look amazing either way though.
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manjiblade Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
It's not necessarily feminine and if you can use it somewhere else go for it, but putting anything round like that on the chest is going to give it a boob-like look imo.
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LupusSpirit Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
First off- regardless of if you use it or not, the conch looks awesome! Really fantastically done! Now on the other hand.. its kind of the perfect size of a womans breast... so its risky. I think Blitsen is right, be very careful of color choice... also there would need to be other areas that were shell-like to it was a congruent pattern and ties together.. alone it could look pretty mermaid bra-ish.
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DragonGuy42 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
This is subtle, but perhaps if it spiraled IN instead of OUT?

When I saw this at small size, I thought it WAS for a mermaid bra. Not sure how to reverse that, but perhaps reversing it to spiral in would visually counteract that idea? I dono.

Looks sweet though.
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Red-Dragon-Lord Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
There you go...raising the bar again! Man this is incredible. Quality tooling on this one! The pecks work(barely). Still looks masculine.
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Blitsen Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Student Artisan Crafter
I think, it comes down to the dying/paint job, if the conch stands out, well it'd be a bit feminin. Additionally however if you had more than the two on the breast plate, so more located on the shoulders or something, it would even the field and neutralise it.
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CittyChica Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I would agree that there shouldn't be any problem if you leave the shell on one side.
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tantalus77 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
try on the left side, with the opening of the nautilus shell leading towards the shoulder. the dramatic upsweep might look more masculine and less cup-like. worth a look, anyway.
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CyrusNarcissus Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The shell doesn't look too feminine, but the armor might have broader usage beyond looking ocean-themed without the shell. It really depends on the color scheme. Either way, it's a great work. What is it made of? Leather?
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CyrusNarcissus Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow. That's incredible. I wish I knew how to do that.
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MissLizz Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
Awesome! The one-sidedness (the other side looks like it's just scales or something, no?) sort of cures any femininity it might have had. Color choice would cure any leftover, I think. Aquaman's gold and green scheme is going to look awesome on this.

Very cool.
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Noniway Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I like it! Maybe just on one side though? I agree with Malevolancy, it would look better if it started at the shoulder and spiraled down.
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Misoura Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
I really like the man peck conch!
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Malevolancy Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
The spiral would feel more like a muscle if it's was curling from the top not the bottom. Curling from the top gives it a stronger upper chest while it curling from under makes it feel more like bra-ish.
Ether way this is hot having two layer deffinition.
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CuSmith Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
I think it's tough to tell looking at it straight on like that, it doesn't give much of an idea of how far off the main body of the piece it sticks out. Does the shell have a uniform bowl sort of shape to it, or does it slant outwards slightly from the top down and sort of abruptly "cup" under like the kind of stereotypical beefcake pecs you see on professional weightlifters? The only thing I can say for sure is that it would be a damn shame to waste all the time and the fine outcome of the shell piece.
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rassaku Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
The tooling is exquisite, not just in the nautilus but in the detail and regularity of the scales, much better than most tooled scales I've seen. Did you end up getting a custom stamp made for those? That's what I've been considering doing.

That said, I think the spiral is too feminizing. Stylizing the male shape is all about squaring it off, and the conch (while amazing, and I definitely agree with other posters who say you should work it into the design somewhere else) emphasizes far too much roundness there.
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xxCheshirexCatxx Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Amazing :wow: I rather like the conch idea, but only on that left side. This looks fantastic.
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Samishii-Kami Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Student General Artist
As long as the shell is only on one side, I think it works just fine without being effeminate . And holy carp that is looking amazing, so much detail!
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Paul-Nasca Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
No conch...save it for epaulets for the shoulders to attach a cape. Nice work!
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wazl Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
I personally think the shell should be added. I think the whole piece looks more feminine without something to busy up that open area.
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spektijim Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
That is spectacular :D A very fine and sturdy piece of work with lovely detail. And if I were you, I'd go with the peck conch. After all, who's going to tell a man with killerwhale bodyguards he looks like a girl?
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Tariray Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I think it would look better as a brooch-ey pauldron thing. But I'd have no idea how to attach it.
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Tharivious Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Personally, I'd incorporate the shell as a besegew rather than as another part of the breastplate. Keeps the location more or less the same, so it'll still provide that detail element, but that small shift in space and giving it a bit more mobility should kill any risk of the shell-bra impression overtaking the work.

That aside: This looks freaking awesome. You may be creating the only representation of Aquaman here that I've ever been able to say looks legitimately badass.
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demosthenes1blackops Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
perhaps better to integrate the nautiloid into the spaulders?
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flufdrax Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I like the spiral shell, but I don't think it would look good on the pecks. Perhaps as part of the helm, shoulder, back, or hips, but not the pecks.
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captain0marauding Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
I think it looks fantastic. The spiral man peck conch was a great add to the overall design, it gives it that asymmetrical feel, and one that actually looks GOOD.
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Tijuzu Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
Use just on one side and it will look amazing. I don't know what colors you intend to use but i expect blues purples greens and golds.

The shell on one side will accent amazing detail especially if you make it a contrasting color to the scaled background.

With the amount of time you threw into it I would hate to see it not showcased
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Tigershark06 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like it...But like you say, it may not look nearly so masculine when the colors are applied.
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justanotherDAME Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013
i believe in the area of pecs the conch doesnt work, it draws attention the way its meant to on a woman. i do agree with some of the other comments though, for shoulders it would look great.
i think some of the issue with the conch to my eye comes from how heavily detailed it is as compared to the rest of the armor and honestly, i think it detracts from the beautiful and elegant lines and details of the piece as a whole.
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xxASKxx Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
It looks unisexish, u know, not very manly or femi x3
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Ouca Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I love how this is turning out. And I don't think you need to worry, the shell doesn't look feminine to me ^^ The detail on the conch is just astounding.
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